Weight loss for cyclists

Hi all,

I have been cycling for a few years now and in the beginning experienced some weight loss, but am still too heavy for my height.

I was wondering if people in this community have experience with losing weight while continuing to cycle and hopefully not loose any/too much power/ftp watts.

I notice that because of cycling, I also experience more appetite so in the end the calories balance out and my weight stays about the same.

Apart from the simple advice of just consuming less calories vs what you burn, are there any good observations or guidelines to follow that make this journey a little bit easier?

Things I have done already:

  • Cut out alcohol completely
  • Eat 1.5 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight each day.

Cheers.

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Intermittent fasting has worked well for me. 16-8 is probably the most common method and is fairly easy to adhere to.

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Thanks for your reply @Steven_Reeves

That sounds like something I could try. Do you then schedule your training around it, or do you train fasted as well?

I try to schedule my training around it. But if that’s not practical, if it’s a short ride (1:30 or less) I train fasted. If a longer ride, I will start the ride fasted and then start taking in calories after an hour.

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There is no magic bullet, it is all about consuming fewer calories vs. what you burn. But that said, there are different ways of getting there, you need to find what works for you. It can be restricting a type of food, or the time windows which you eat. It is all calorie restriction.

For me, I do pretty well throughout the week, but it all falls apart during social gatherings or eating out on the weekends. I know each of those events is a chance to make progress.

I also tend to snack between meals. If I can grab some vegetables instead of the crackers, that’s a win. Or even better, distract myself with a walk around the block or some other activity away from the pantry. I’m not usually hungry, just like snacking!

Another tough part can be if you’re training quite a bit, you need to fuel the body. For me, tracking calories is helpful to know that I’m getting enough but not overdoing it because I’m starving after a hard effort. I find that fueling during the ride can make me less hungry afterwards. Not really necessary if I’m only doing one or two efforts per week, but if I’m riding a lot, then I need to maintain the energy over the entire week, not just a single day.

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I think that if you’re starving when you get off the bike, it’s a sign that you should be eating more on the bike.

I’m a believer in “Fuel the work”. The classic mistake is to think “I’ll do a big ride and not eat much and that’ll drop some weight”. What often happens is that a few hours after the ride you can’t stand it any more and eat a bunch of the wrong food at the wrong time, and then feel worse.

If you’ve got a sweet tooth, on the bike is a much better time to indulge it than on the couch.

One thing that helps me is to make a post-ride drink/shake/smoothie before I ride so I can have it as soon as I get off the bike. That way I know I’m getting something healthy in the post-ride refueling window and it takes the edge off so I can make better choices later.

On the bike, I’ve found that solid food works better for me than gels. Gives me a more even energy level and I feel full longer. It doesn’t have to be expensive sports nutrition stuff.

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Exactly. Over the past 4.5 years I’ve lost 100 lbs. Cycling has been an important part, and there are some approaches that work for some people, but at the end of the day, you have to consume fewer calories than you burn. I used Noom as a calorie counter to help me keep track of how much I was eating. The way I figure it, I used Noom to keep track of what I was eating at a level that was almost exactly what was required for maintenance not taking into account exercise. And then I burned an additional 300-1000 calories 5-7 days a week through cycling and indoor cycling (when I rode enough to burn closer to 1000 calories, I did eat more, so not quite the exact math). And that helped me lose the weight. Its not a very exciting technique, but it has worked for me.

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I can share my personal experience of working my way down from 83kg to 76kg while maintaining (indeed improving) FTP and not losing my punchy power. I’d previously hit that weight but did it in a way where I lost all of my kick which led to a major drop off in interest in riding my bike.

My basic plan is accumulate a ~2000kJ deficit per day, every day, for as many days as you can string together. I highly recommend using a food tracking app, at least for a few weeks, to dial in your understanding of the energy content in your diet and experiment with substituting in less energy dense foods. You can still have days with some treats or just eating more, but you’re always looking to balance it out with a higher level of activity. If you want a day off the bike, you use different tactics (lots of water, tea, and low energy density foods) to get through it.

If you accumulated exactly 14,000kJ deficit in the course of a week, and all of that was fueled by burning fat reserves, you’d burn 370g of fat per week. In practice I find this method achieves ~500g per week of weight loss, averaged out over a couple of months, and eventually plateaus.

You need to trade-off chasing results and doing very high intensity work, since that’s damaging and you need to be fueling performance and recovery. Accumulating a massive kJ deficit in this mode will come back to bite you eventually.

Focus on steady lower intensity riding to burn kJ without placing undue stress on your body, up to the top of Z2 in a standard 5 zone model (roughly 75% FTP). Lower intensity is fine, too, it depends on whether you want to generate fitness benefits or just burn kJ to hit your daily deficit. I recommend fueling these rides to avoid a big hunger spike later (which often leads to poor decisions that ruin streaks of good habits!) My suggestion is build an understanding of approximately how many carbs you’re burning on these rides, and aim to eat 50% of what you’re burning. Longer rides (2h+) might need more as that gap between carbs burned and carbs consumed grows bigger.

Have things set up so that you can jump on and ride at short notice and for short durations, as life permits. 30 mins of low intensity here and there won’t do much for fitness, but it’s all kJ burned and can really help in hitting that daily deficit target.

Adding in some functional strength training is a good way to achieve some more kJ burn while not putting all the training stress into your legs, and can help build muscle to raise your base metabolic rate (amount of kJ your body burns every day just to keep things running). Also just good for overall wellbeing, particularly as we get older!

Finally, I personally found that a shift towards fat/protein as my primary energy source for day-to-day life, and carbs only to fuel specific activity, was a game changer. I’m far from perfect since we’re also trying to feed three kids and don’t have time to make special meals for everyone; generally dinner is whatever it is but I can be more selective on my other meals.

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I am not a numbers guy and I also never weigh myself. What I am doing now is cutting out the alcohol which has been big for me. But what I am also doing and what I did in the past with running and wanting to loose weight is intermittent fasting as already mentioned. I think it works really well if you don’t want to count calories. But that’s very subjective of course. I do very well without breakfast, riding in the morning up to maybe 2 hrs and have lunch at noon. I do not snack and also don’t replace the ‘‘missing’’ meal. What helps me when I do more exhausting rides is to drink chocolate milk when I come home or even from a petrol station. Also helps with the recovery. Another tip that was also mentioned is have something nice on your ride, real food. Or a coffee with some milk. Whatever rocks your boat. Don’t be too strict and come up with some very basic rules that are easy to follow. Even something like don’t have any food after 6pm…have low calories drinks in the fridge to give your brain something to work with.

And look at your sugar intake! Many people have no idea how much sugar is in things. It’s gross!

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For me, it’s about portion control and minimizing carbs. I struggle with plans that eliminate the foods I like to eat, but don’t ever feel like I’m going without if I just have less. My biggest struggle is sweets, especially at my office where there are always snacks and candy available.

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Flipping this around a bit, congratulations and total respect Frank on dropping alcohol. Have been wanting to do that for years.

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Try to eat clean 75-80% of the time so you have some wiggle room with the fun stuff you want to have occasionally (since you’ve cut alcohol). You can’t be super strict all the time because then you’ll just end up on some bender and getting started all over again is a real pain in the ass. It’s no fun going out with friends and they’re having burgers and fries while you’re having salad and grilled chicken. I’ve found the easiest way is decide if you’re gonna mix those 20% fun items throughout the week or have a cheat meal. It seems to be easier on your body too if you don’t do the whole cheat day thing, having a cookie or ice cream with a clean meal.

I’ve done carb cycling too where I don’t have carbs unless I’ve done my weight training or cardio before hand since the carbs help with recovery.

Zone 2 cardio is your best option if you’re trying to lose weight because you can do it every day without being totally sore (helps with getting better sleep too). Don’t have to be on the bike for zone 2 either, take a walk in your neighborhood or on a treadmill with a slight incline and catch up on your shows/podcasts if you’re at the gym. The downside: it’s a total time suck (45 min to 90+ min) but that cardio work goes towards your endurance base so you will notice improvement on a big climb that you’re normally dreading after a couple weeks.

Don’t beat yourself up about a number on the scale either. Plateaus happen but stay consistent because weight loss takes time. It took over 2 years to lose the weight I gained with my first baby but it came off eventually

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Thanks a lot everyone for all the interesting replies so far!

Definetly some ideas in there that I will test out.

I notice personally that I don’t have great impulse control. Which makes it easier to fully stop doing something (like dropping alcohol) then to do things in moderation, which is kinda whats needed for weight loss it seems :slight_smile:

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I lost 40kg (with more to go) in the past couple of years - cycling was a part of it, ozempic & mounjaro were the other parts. Before I was on the meds, I tried to outrun/outride a bad diet and convinced myself that because I was riding 5000miles a year I was clearly very fit, despite being very overweight. I was, obviously, delusional.

Not proselytizing here, but they really helped me. Figuring out fuelling for long rides was an interesting challenge, but that has been the only negative I’ve encountered. Clearly there are nuanced questions around their (mis)use by those for whom the medication is not necessary nor intended - especially with weightloss in the women’s pro peloton being a hot topic - but as your common-or-garden fatbloke, that was less of a concern for me.

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What conversion are you using for kJ’s to kCals?

Macrofactor app. I was very sceptical at first. I had recently put on weight despite loads of exercise. But I was getting my energy expenditure wrong despite eating well. Macrofactor is really good at nailing your expenditure whatever exercise you do. Try it for a few months for a test. Completely takes the guess work out of loosing weight.

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Some youtuber recommends (like others in this thread) to fuel before and during the ride, not after. Apparently an underfueled body shuts down the metabolism and you end up both with an unsatisfying performance and burning less calories. Sounds plausible but there was no evidence or source cited, so no idea if it is truly good advice. But pesronally my craving after a short ride is nearly zero if I drink some maltodextrin during the ride.

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I’ve just had a quick look at Macrofactor and see that you start off with an estimation of your TEE which it then fine tunes or radically alters it over a period of time depending on how accurate it reckons it is .

Would putting Garmin’s average estimate over the last few weeks or months be a reasonable starting point then?

Yeah I think that would be fine, but I wouldn’t worry too much, so long as your consistent with it, it will learn your habits and expenditure and you’ll start to notice the changes. You don’t have to be especially strict either.

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What does this look like in practice? For example, I get up have a cup of coffee and then hit the rollers for ~ an hour burning ~600kcal. What would you eat prior/ during a ride like this?