hello nice escapees out there
this might be a question mostly for people from gb or ireland:
i am looking for overshoes which are really waterproof. and which are not rubber ones like velotoze (in those my shoes are quickly becoming aquariums, and they are super difficult to put on).
does any one know really waterproof and somehow breathable overshoes?i
Spatz overshoes, here is the story. And the Link to them
THE STORY – SpatzWear THE STORY – SpatzWear
Spatz also have the Aqua Oversocks if you want something with a lower insulative value.
The Spatz neoprene booties do a great job at keeping your feet dry and warm.
Spatz, they are the best overshoes I’ve used, various levels of protection provided. No zips which makes putting them on a bit more of a faff. But after the 48th time of trying you get the knack of it.
thanks! but lol the price
Big fan of the Giro Xnetic H2O in the US Pacific Northwest rainy season. I wear them in low 40s Fahrenheit.
These served me well commuting through a fair bit of sketchy weather last winter. I’ve had no issues getting them on/off, I wouldn’t say they’re breathable though.
From watching a yt video of the Velotoze, they might be a bit too similar for you? 
To be perfecly honest and not a direct answer to your question:
If you want warm feet yet breathable, real winter shoes are the only answer.
i do have warm wintershoes. great stuff but simply too warm above 8°C
I think that depends on what someone considers a perfect solution to be for their riding, conditions, and how they tolerate the cold.
Sealskinz waterproof socks. Get to the root of the problem. Unless you are also worried about your shoes getting wet. When I purchased mine, they had two different designs, a regular one that was quite thick, and a slimmer one more suitable for tighter fitting road shoes. Looks like there’s only one type available now so might be a bit of a crap shoot.
They are comfy enough I’ve found, even if water gets in, it acts more like a wet suit with the moisture warming up and keeping your feet a bit warmer. Didn’t find them especially sweaty, but I only wore them on colder wet days, just wearing regular socks on warmer days.
I’d like to disagree with winter shoes are warm. The insulation provided by an overshoe with thick padding (Castelli Estremo or similar) + regular winter socks is much better than e.g a Shimano MW701 with thick wool socks from my experience. I never managed to keep feet warm with winter shoes on longer rides and temperatures below 5 C.
The winter shoe does a good job in repelling water from below, one still needs to seal from above. If walking / hiking on uneven terrain isn’t a concern, I’d always go for the overshoe.
Spatz booties are worth every penny.
Yep, you can’t beat the Spatz.
thanks everyone!
Northwave arctic gtx Winter shoes are really awesome. much better than any overshoe combined with airy summer shoes (those holes in the soles are really a nono in winter). Never had any problems with cold feet in the northwave wintershoes even in below zero temperatures. Most important thing: no thick socks inside. Otherwise it gets moist and then cold.
but my question here was more about waterproof overshoes than warmth. And actually I have some sealskins waterproof socks. thanks @Donut_Boy for reminding me! Ha ha. forgot them deep inside my cycling gear drawer. 
Was on the bike thinking about this yesterday in rainy Ireland. I find various overshoes are fairly good at keeping wet out (have had good success with Endura’s last few years) but the top of overshoe/leg/tights interface has been an issue, leading to wet socks and system failure.
For a while I was wearing Velotoze under the overshoes for the wettest days. This worked at keeping rain out but feet get clammy, it’s a pain to get them on and Velotoze inevitable rip.
What occurred to me yesterday though was - why not cut the top section (that sits around shin/lower calf) away from the rest on an old/torn pair of Velotoze and use it as a waterproof ‘cuff’ at top of overshoe? It should prevent moisture getting in (tights over overshoes obvs) and is generally not the part that tears and is not too much hassle to fit.
Would be interested to hear if anyone has tried this or it’s a terrible idea? Always amazes me the things you think about while out for a ride 
I live near Vancouver Canada, lot’s of rain. I like winter shoes when it gets below 8c, above toe covers with summer shoes and wool socks. I have given up trying to keep my feet dry instead I make sure they are warm.
this sounds good. and what’s your choice of toe covers? and rather thin or better thick wool socks?
Gripgrab make a product that sounds exactly like that if you don’t want to slice up your velotoze:
I haven’t used them but have heard good things
Velotoze themselves thought of this very idea a few years back. They make a waterproof cuff that they package with their neoprene booties for just this purpose.