HI there, I’m looking to get gravel tires for my bike for a race hat historically could get very muddy. I’m considering bringing a dry and a mud race day option or simply run the mud ones if not to far on rolling resistance. I have absolutely no idea what makes a tire good for mud or if there is even a category for it. Everyone talks about the fastest tires all the time, but usually in perfect conditions. Please help!
Thanks,
Pirelli Cinturato Gravel M would be my choice here - it copes very well with mud, without being really draggy the rest of the time like a more dedicated mud tyre - the centre strip rolls well, and the sides don’t clog too easily, rolling resistance is ok and the handling is fairly agile.
To build on James’ point, what differentiates a mud tire is not only its ability to avoid clogging with mud, but also it’s ability to eject mud if/when it accumulates. Typically, this is done by larger spacing between knobs.
I’d recommend some Rene Herse knobbies. You can dial in the width as they come in a variety of sizes. I’ve had good luck in all conditions with them and they’re pretty fast on pavement.
Whatever mud tires you get make sure that they are small enough that you have plenty of clearance with your frame. Running smaller tires is probably more important than the tread pattern.
I’m amazed by this, and wondering what kind of mud you have.
I found the Cinturato M to be terrible - it tended to clog, and when it started slipping, it went very quickly, with little/no warning.
The M was good otherwise, in dry conditions, but no better than Race Kings or similar.
The Cinturato S on the other hand is fantastic in the wet/mud. It can cope with way more mud than the M version before it starts sliding, and when the S slides its relatively gradual, predictable and controlable.
I’ve used WTB Nano 40mm in a race that turned to slick mud in heavy rain, I could at least keep it upright while plenty of others went over! There was a huge amount of time to be made in just having some traction through those parts of the course.
I don’t have much to compare that with, typically I avoid the wet/mud like the plague and run small knob tires like schwalbe g-one or conti terra speed
We must have very different mud Interesting that we have had such different experiences. I’ve mainly used them in very wet conditions.
I suppose a useful question might be to ask where the gravel race is happening? Local conditions might influence the suggestions a bit.
I agree the S is much better for really thick mud, or something like a Hutchinson Tundra, I just thought it might be good to go for something that offers a good halfway house.
Unbound?! Well, if the pictures of 3/4 years ago are anything to go off, then the mud will clog any tyre, but if it were me, I’d want to give myself the best chance possible of staying on the bike and rolling.
So, I’d give myself more clearance than normally acceptable either side of the tyre and a gravel tyre designed for mud, so something like the Cinturato S I mentioned and probably in 40 with the frame clearance you mention.
Unbound tires! Everyone’s favorite question. I’ve started Unbound 7 times and finished 4. One DNF was the 2015 mud year (not because of the mud), and one finish was 2017, when it rained on us for 3 hours from 4-7pm/mile 100-ish to 140-ish.
There’s different types of mud. The 2015/2023 mud section (mile 7-11, I think?) is just peanut butter. You shouldn’t try to ride it, because it will stick to your tires and you’ll fall over. It’ll tear your derailleur off (or whatever horrible other thing happens to Transmission derailleurs). Shoulder your bike and walk with everyone else.
On the other hand, there might just be greasy mud. Not fun to ride, but it’s possible. But planning your tire around the possibility of intermittent mud probably isn’t going to be good for the rest of the race.
There’s also wet sand “mud.” I rode through 3 hours of this in 2017. My drivetrain didn’t love this, but it bore up. I had a 650bx47 up front (basically a file tread) and a Schwalbe G-One all round 650bx40 in the rear. Ride just fine. Didn’t stick to the tires or the frame.
There’s no perfect tire for Unbound. Pick some you like (the Schwalbe G-One RS and R pros are very nice, and come in a variety of widths). And otherwise don’t stress about it. Changing tires/wheels the night before the race isn’t worth the stress or the potential for last minute problems.