Collective Favourites - Favourite indoor trainer

Hi all! The Collective Favourites series is emerging from its winter hibernation. We’re kicking things off with a category that’s probably seen a lot of use lately (especially in the Northern Hemisphere): indoor trainers. This includes rollers, smart trainers, dumb trainers, watt bikes… whatever is your favourite way to ride indoors!

Chances are, most of us have only ever used one, maybe two, so I’d love to hear not just your pick but your wider setup too. Fan or no fan? Zwift Cog or cassette? Mat, rocker plate, dedicated pain cave or a middle-of-the-living-room setup? Tell us all.

If you’d rather not reply in this thread, I’ve also created a good ol’ Google Sheet where you can drop in your answers. You can find that HERE.

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Is it my favorite if it’s the only one I have? :slight_smile:

Current setup: Kickr Core Gen 1, cassette, mat, fan, dedicated trainer bike(cheap used), homemade monitor stand. Permanent setup in basement. Use an iPad with a HDMI adapter and an old computer monitor.

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The venerable Velotron ergometer cannot be topped, as far as hardware goes. These days, it’s suffering from a paucity of compatible software packages to run it but the thing is a tank that keeps on going and going.

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Honestly, I feel like the market is a bit commoditized and has converged on 3 different options, depending on your budget and space in your house:

  1. Option 1: Random bike trainer + (old) bike combo
    Here the trainer does not matter that much, they are all good enough. Some of them do have a handle which I really really missed on my Kickr Core in the past (have Kickr Bike Shift nowadays)
  2. Option 2: Bike trainer + Zwift Ride
    Cleanest option if you always do zwift and you want to easily move the bike in storage
  3. Option 3: Stand alone bike (Kicker Bike)
    Only possible if you do not have to move the bike in storage, does have the advantage of being able to use all of the apps.

On the acessories side you do have quite some things where you can differentiate.

  1. Cooling (personally I use a fan with an IKEA remote)
  2. Using an apple tv + dedicated tv or an old laptop
  3. figuring out a location for your phone (I use a magsafe on a garmin mount which I find really practical).

I have the luxury of having a spare guestroom so I can use a Kickr Bike Shift attached to an apple tv with a real tv screen. with it I use a garmin Magsafe mount for my phone and a standard fan attached to an IKEA Tretakt Plug+Remote. I believe I am quite blessed with such a lush set-up, but frankly, it remains indoor cycling and the experience while on the bike is not much different than my previous set-up where I used my road bike on a kicker core in the living room. I do think though that not having to build and move the set-up lowers the barrier to jump on the trainer substantially.

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  1. My pain cave is my office (I work from home).
  2. 5 year old Elite Suito that’s been dead reliable.
  3. The trainer and bike sit on top of a rubber mat which sits atop a piece of plywood that cut down to just fit the bike and trainer. All of that sits on top of carpet. The rubber mat was modified by one of our dogs when he was a puppy, so near the middle of the mat is a roughly 6 x 12 inch duct tape patch.
  4. There are 3 fans: one standing fan in front of the bike directed at my face and two high velocity floor fans with ducts that can be moved to direct air where I want. Those are used to cool my corpus.
  5. A Vornado space heater/fan that I crank up for a ride to help promote sweating.
  6. I use FulGaz to control the trainer, and watch it on my 27" 5k iMac…which sits on my office desk.
  7. My toolbox is my stand for my phone and drinks.
  8. My wife sewed together a couple of microfiber towels, with large “button holes” on opposite ends so that that the hoods of my shifters go through the button holes. The towel keeps the bars covered and is quickly accessible to mop sweaty secretions from my melon.
  9. I’ve got a Tacx sweat guard that runs from the bars to the seat post.
  10. Audio entertainment is injected into my brain via Beats Powerbeats Fit ear buds.
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I’ve logged a couple thousand hours indoors, including 3 virtual Everests. I would swt the bar to minimum of “smart trainer”, wheel on or off, as these have come down so much in pricing that it rarely makes sense to bother with anything less.

I wore out an Elite Direto, replaced with Tacx Neo 2T. I’ve been happy with each, especially the slight tilt feature of Tacx that provides a bit of comfort and realism without the added expense of a rocket plate. That said, if I were buying a trainer for first time I would go to the lower end and choose among Kckr Core or Jet Black. Much lower cost and almost same features and comfort as the higher end options. Save that money and put it towards a decent fan and desk/laptop stand.

Steering, rising/lowering climb angles etc. all strike me as indulgent and poor bang for the buck.

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Cycleops Hammer (aka Saris Hammer), which sadly was not 12sp compatible or I would still be riding it. My Elite Direto XR-T is fine as a replacement, but I actually miss the slightly louder hum and feel of the Hammer.

That said, I mostly ride Elite Arion rollers these days. Thru hubs are just annoying enough that I can’t be bothered to take off my wheel, and I don’t use the apps that much.

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I ride an Elite Suito, mostly because when I bought it it was the direct drive trainer that was cheapest. I run the 12speed 11-44t APEX cassette cause the cost of a XD-R driver is ridiculous, so no sense in swapping it when I mostly run ERG mode anyways.

I live in a one bedroom apartment with my partner and work from home, so I have a square of the living room and an L shaped desk, on which I work and my bike is set up next to on a mat. No rocker plate. One fan in front and the patio door gets swung wide open for airflow (works great during Canadian winter but there is a limit on how warm it can be outside before it stops working, can’t get the apartment too hot)

Is it ideal? Probably not but it works with the space I have. Genuinely don’t see how a different trainer would be any different for me, I find the differences so minute they aren’t worth obssessing over. Paying 500$ for a direct drive trainer seems much more feasible than spending 1000$+

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I’ve used dumb rollers and an old Saris magnetic wheel-on trainer, then used a Saris H2 for a while before getting my Tacx Flux Neo 2T. I probably have a similar number of kilometres on the H2 and Neo 2T now. I only had access to so many through ‘donations’ from friends and family before I got the Tacx. I briefly tried a Stages and Wahoo bikes in stores but can’t really comment on those. I do like my Neo 2T the best, but I wasn’t wishing for anything new with the H2 while I had it. The Tacx feels more stable (and heavier) and while it is gimmicky I do appreciate the road feel vibrations it offers as it offers something different that helps break up a longer indoor ride. The H2 was definitely easier to carry with it’s integrated handle; the Neo 2T is difficult to maneuver around.

I didn’t have any real problems with the H2, but the Neo 2T is much quieter to me. I wouldn’t be comfortable setting my carbon bikes on the old wheel-on trainers (I could see my aluminum frame flex in and it did scratch the paint a bit), but I’m more ok with it on the direct drive trainers. I do appreciate the minimal noise as it’s less likely to wake up anyone else in the house (yes, the fans are loud, but they are like white noise and don’t seem to be as disruptive). I do wax my chains and I stick to a schedule (from notifications on ProBikeGarage) so I don’t have a squeaky chain to add to the sound mix.

Speaking of chains, I know that oil may be a better lubricant option indoors but I can’t be bothered to switch from wax since it has been so nice outdoors. I do have to spend a bit of extra time cleaning out all of the wax chips that fly around though, but they are generally easy to get off any surface with some water (heated if necessary). On another component, I run carbon handlebars so am not too concerned about salt issues under bar tape. I do replace bar tape in the spring (after indoor riding season) and sometimes once during the season. I have tried using no bar tape on my indoor setup, and while it was much comfier than I anticipated I would still prefer bar tape and will just leave on whatever I have next time.

I do set up my bike slightly differently for indoor use. I’m generally using a bike with 40-50mm front tires on, so I just use the stock (small) front wheel holder/riser and then re-angle my saddle to my desired 2-3 degrees down. If I were to put my bike on straight from outdoors, the saddle angle is too high for me for longer rides. I have tried raising the bars/stem as suggested on a Performance Process podcast a while ago but I didn’t find it made a big difference in comfort or power. Despite the front wheel being lifted from the bigger tires I don’t feel the need to adjust the bar ‘roll’.
I have though about adding the motion plates that Tacx sells, but they are expensive and I don’t know if they would be a huge benefit. While I’m usually riding/racing for 45mins-1h30mins, during cyclocross season I will often ride while watching the elite men’s and women’s races to do a ‘long Z2’ style ride. In either case, I don’t feel any major discomfort - if anything, I find hard efforts to be more uncomfortable as the bike doesn’t move as much and I’m trying to resist twisting the frame while sprinting. I used to not care as much, but now I do try and be mindful during sprints which unfortunately has reduced my max power (or at least that’s the excuse I tell myself).

I use a box fan and a regular standing fan, but as I’m typically riding indoors during the colder months I also leave my window open for some air circulation. I do try and keep a towel or clothes rolled up under the door to limit the draft to the rest of the house. It’s definitely nicer to ride when the outdoor temps are below -5C but it’s manageable otherwise. Even in the hotter summer months, if I do jump on the trainer (for an interval session/workout) I find it ok to have the two fans (standing in front on my face, box fan angled up beside me) plus household AC to keep me cool enough for a while. Any extra warmth is just ‘heat training’ right? I don’t have to use a towel or anything in the winter but I should probably invest in a mat now that I’ve moved my space from the (unfinished) basement to the top floor spare bedroom (lucky enough that it fits behind the ‘Work from home’ desk setup). The basement was ok, but I had to set up the trainer so I didn’t whack my head off of the beams on the 5-foot-tall ceiling and I may have got myself sick by doing the Festive 500 down there while it was damp and cold down there. I found that if it wasn’t permanently set up, I am much less likely to commit to riding unless I have some scheduled event ( am even considering keeping a ‘spare’ drop bar bike in the stable to be the ‘trainer bike’).

Since my new setup is beside my WFH desk, I just use my computer and a second monitor to display Zwift. It is a bit of a pain since the monitor is off to one side, but I could probably re-arrange the furniture a bit to be able to move the monitor directly in front of my bike. When my setup was in the basement, I used a small, old TV with a Chromecast to stream Zwift from my phone. Moving to a full PC makes it easier to see some of the text and map, but I don’t think the difference in graphical quality makes it significantly better for me. Sure, it does look nicer, but I’ll still ride with Zwift on my phone (no additional screen) sometimes since it’s easier/quicker to set up.

I was using a cassette on recently switched to a Zwift cog since that is where I do most of my riding. Despite deliberate chain waxing and measuring wear, I managed to dummy two cogs on my SRAM Apex 11-44 cassette within one season of riding. This was likely due in part to using a gravel bike and the 40 tooth chainring required me to be in the smallest cogs quite regularly. The Zwift cog has held up so far but I have not put as many miles on it. I do like the virtual shifting a lot since you can ‘shift’ under load but I do wonder if that is a bit unfair during racing. To me, the fake shift on the Tacx feels good (it’s noticeable regardless of the power I can put out) but it does feel/look like it takes a second for the power to re-align itself. Maybe it’s just placebo, but I feel like the first second after a downshift up a steep climb is a bit easier to hit the same number and if you downshift every second or so up a short steep climb (like the new escalators in NYC) it feels like cheating a bit. One other pro/con is that I don’t have to continually charge my AXS batteries, but that means I am liable to forget before I go for an outdoor ride and have to wait at least a few minutes to get some charge in.

I don’t have a table or any surface set up. I have two bottle cages on the bike and for longer rides I will take a ‘coffee break’ and refill bottles and grab a snack. I’ll often ride with some sort of drink mix, but otherwise I take advantage of being indoors to eat things other than gels, gummies, and bars. A favourite for this season’s long rides has been holiday fruitcake and baked goods, but last year I did a lot of Pizza Pops and Jamaican patties (only on easy rides).

My indoor fashion choices are probably typical: nicer bibs and good socks (though often the latter are running ankle socks I wear in the summer). Usually I don’t wear a jersey while riding indoors, but I have been recently since I moved my setup upstairs. I often ride/race when the sun isn’t up here, so a light on in the room combined with an open window means my neighbours get a full, unobstructed, and highlighted view of me on the bike. I don’t think anyone is watching me but some days I feel more self conscious than others and will put on a summer jersey.

It is a privilege to have the space and tools to have a permanent indoor setup, but I greatly appreciate it. I have done more racing this year (signed up for ZRL) but less riding time than last year as I have been doing more nordic skiing on the weekends (it’s been a great season around here). I’m not a super user, but I do it all on Zwift: I participate in racers, (in C/B category depending on the event), use my setup for training sessions (only custom workouts, no Zwift ones), and I use it as a substitute for outdoor activities when the weather is poor.

That ended up being a much longer post than I anticipated but hopefully it gives a view of what my setup looks like!

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This is the constant beef I have with the Favourites series. The vast majority of us aren’t in a position to determine a favourite product in any category due to lack of exposure. We buy what other people tell us is good, hopefully those opinions are informed and honest.

The only real question you can ask the masses is “what (trainer etc) do you currently use?” - or possibly “what (trainer) are you planning on buying in the next 12 months?”

Slowtwitch do (or did, it’s been a while since I went there) a good job of this - if you come back and poll the same question over the years, you build up a database of industry trends.

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I’ve been through a number of trainers of the years. A Kurt Kinetic dumb trainer. Then a Tacx Vortex wheel-on. Then a first gen Elite Direto direct drive. Finally I’ve spent the last 5 years on a a Kickr Bike. Each change has felt like an upgrade and made indoor training easier and more enjoyable.

With the Kickr bike I like that:

  • it is always ready to go - no more taking a bike on an off
  • I can play around a lot with my fit. Lower stack, longer reach, different crank length, different saddle…all quick and easy changes. My wife will use it occasionally and I have a 2nd seatpost with a saddle she likes to make setting it up for her quick work
  • less/easier maintenance. No headset to rust out, no chain that gets worn.
  • the climb function is kind of fun and keep things interesting. I will do some intervals with th incline set similar to climbs I like to do around here to “get used to” using those muscles
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My current indoor training setup is

  1. Tacx Neo Smart Bike trainer because I like all my bikes and don’t want to destroy them, it lets you play around with alternate fit setups, the built in fans work surprisingly well, and the bike stays put and never feels like you might tip it over while getting off after a long session.

  2. Garmin/Tacx app on an iPad because I don’t do group rides and the video seems to keep my brain busy activating my bike riding reflexes. I export to Strava to track training load and analysis which combines with my outside ride data

  3. A 43” TV to watch something besides the wall in front of me when the Tacx app gets boring. I find actually background GCN YouTube can be surprisingly motivating again at activating the cycling brain. This has made a significant impact on the time spent this winter vs past on trainer.

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  • Location: basement, rubber gym flooring
  • Trainers I have used: Cycleops Fluid, Kickr Core V1, Kickr V5, Feedback Sports Omnium. Currently on the Kickr V5 as my primary trainer. It works, not a whole more to say about that. My first Core died and was warrantied; I have that at my mother’s house for when I’m visiting. Both Wahoos have cassettes on them; I do not like virtual shifting. The Omnium is for traveling/races.
  • Rocker: I use an Inside Ride E-Flex. Have been on it for a little over 2 years now. Took some getting used to, but I like it.
  • Bike: usually leave a crashed frame on the Kickr (it’s a Dogma, which is kind of ridiculous, but what else am I going to do with it?)
  • Cooling: 2-4 Lasko blowers. The basement has its own heat/AC, so in the summer, I can drop the temperature and in the winter I can turn off the heat.
  • Mat: even though I have rubber flooring, I have a no name mat under the bike that I can take out and wipe down to rid of sweat/spit/food
  • Desk: Wahoo knockoff; seems like the brand’s name changes weekly on Amazon. I put my laptop and phone on this and have charging cables ziptied to the leg.
  • Trainer power-er: usually Zwift on Apple TV. Sometimes run it on an iPad so I can watch something on the TV.
  • Cart: Ikea Raskog. This sits to my left. Top level has snacks, middle level has odds and ends of cables, bottom level has towels.
  • Small trash can
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The series so far includes water bottles, socks, chain lube, and pedals for example. That’s all easily stuff where most people who’ve been into cycling for 5+ years have decent exposure. I’d agree with you that the trainer is a little different, but it’s not like this has only been collective favourites: aero bikes…

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I’m gonna break the mold here and vote for the classic rollers.

I have them in my basement, which in the winter sits at about 11-13°C, which means I do not need a fan. But: I don’t use those often and actually hate training indoors. They only see use when the weather es really terrible (storms or ice) and I just get the feeling that I have to move my body for 30-45 minutes, no intervals or anything. Longer rides or intervals are done outdoors.

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I have an Elite Direto XR. It works. Definitely an improvement on the wheel-on trainer it replaced!

I use a Zwift cog, which in principle I like, but when used with a big-ish chainring (50T) I have problems getting low enough power/virtual gears. I.e. if I’m doing a workout on ERG mode, if the warm up or recovery has very low power target I can’t hit it without pedalling very slowly. If I keep the cadence sensible, it just can’t hit the power target (seems to bottom out at around 130W @ 80rpm). Similarly changing virtual gear below around gear 8 seems to make no difference - I can’t get really light easy pedaling. Didn’t notice these problems when I used to use my old road bike on the trainer, in the small ring.

Fan is a must, even though my set up is in my unheated garage, in Scotland, so often close to 0°C in winter. Won’t turn it on straightaway, and sometimes will keep it on a pretty low setting, but wouldn’t like to do without. Laptop/fan/speaker/water etc. all just on a cheap folding table in front of the bike - not quite as easy to reach as a dedicated trainer table would be, but adequate.

If I had to offer a top tip, it would be - if at all possible - have a bike set up on the trainer permanently. I wouldn’t say I especially enjoy turbo training per se, so making it as easy as possible to just jump on and start pedaling helps the motivation, especially for squeezing in a quick workout early in the morning or even at lunch if working from home.

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Like many before me, I’ve had several setups over the years. I started on a cycleops Fluid2 wheel on, migrated to the cycleops Hammer H1 - I had no complaints with that unit other than it being a little noisy when I had it set up in the basement under our bedroom - my wife didn’t appreciate the noise at 4am. I moved to the other side of the basement and got no more complaints. I then picked up a Wahoo Kickr Snap wheel on that my wife used with good success - she didn’t like the resistance not changing on the fluid2, nor my suggestion to upshift when hitting a hill on Zwift. After a good offseason, we moved, sold the Snap, then eventually the H1 as well to get the Garmin Neo Bike Plus, with the intention that we’d both ride it. 2 years later, I’m still the only one… However, it’s amazing having the bike always ready to go. Currently still using Apple TV with the companion app to do Zwift; I used to use a laptop + Sufferfest, but when wahoo took over, it didn’t have the same feel. I’ve been trying TP Virtual off and on, and I think it has potential, but more free training plans would really push me over the edge - but if I’m being honest, sometimes the “gamification” of Zwift pushes me to keep a streak alive, or dig a little deeper for a race.

When the Kickr Core + Cog went on sale a few weeks ago, we picked one up for the kids. They’re having a blast, and I love love love the cog - all the kids have different shifting on their bikes, but pretty universally 135mm still. With a few clicks of a shifter, I can swap bikes around and keep everyone happy.

I’ve had a handful of different indoor setups over the years. I started with a CycleOps Fluid2, eventually upgraded to a CycleOps Hammer H1, and honestly had zero complaints about the H1 other than the noise. When it was positioned directly under our bedroom, my wife wasn’t thrilled with 4 a.m. training sessions. Once I moved it to the far side of the basement, the problem disappeared.

Later, I picked up a Wahoo Kickr Snap for my wife. She didn’t like the fixed resistance of the Fluid2 (nor my suggestion to “just upshift” on Zwift), and the Snap worked great for her. After a good offseason, we moved, sold both trainers, and eventually replaced everything with the Garmin Neo Bike Plus so we could both ride it. Two years later… I’m still the only one using it. But I love having a dedicated bike always ready to go.

I still run Zwift on Apple TV with the companion app. I used to ride with a laptop and Sufferfest, but after Wahoo took over it didn’t feel the same. I’ve been experimenting with TrainerRoad Virtual, and I think it has potential—more included training plans might seal the deal. Still, the “gamification” in Zwift keeps me consistent and occasionally pushes me to dig a little deeper.

When the Kickr Core + Cog bundle went on sale recently, we picked one up for the kids. They’re having a blast, and I absolutely love the Cog—our kids all run different drivetrain setups, but their bikes are almost universally 135mm. Being able to swap bikes in seconds with a few clicks is amazing.

Cooling is handled by a high-CFM 20” Harbor Freight fan connected to a smart plug. I crank it to max once I’m warmed up. My desk is just close enough for bottle grabs, though it requires breaking form. For sweat management, I repurposed some old baby burp cloths—they work perfectly. And the kids make great domestiques when I need extra water or encouragement during intervals.

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Chain lube - the average person doesn’t have the time or equipment to properly differentiate the performance of different products, even if they have tried a few.

Pedals - most people buy into one system and stick with it. Very few will have tried Shimano, Speedplay, Time, and Look (and any others) to be able to judge which is better.

Shoes, rain jackets, bibs, lights, glasses, etc all last years, the normal person doesn’t get a chance to try lots of them in the proper test scenarios. Fortunately most things are at least good enough that they don’t get considered “bad” and immediately replaced, but that barely qualifies to be able to rank them as a favourite.

Additionally - maybe my “favourite” shoes are the ones I like because I wore them on a first date or something, maybe they’re no longer available, etc etc. That doesn’t leave much useful information for the reader.

I think the comments people are making about trainers or whatever bike thing is the the focus of given favorites poll. If nothing else, it gives a possible buyer of some bike thing a brands or models to investigate further. When boil all down, bike or bike part reviews aren’t really objective qualifications of a product. There’s always opinion involved, and where there is opinion there is often bias.

These “favorites” articles also promote discussion about different products, and IMHO that can every bit as good as some reviewer’s, uhm, review of said product. These polls are nice because they let us see what other people are using and off another opportunity to geek out.

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Trainer - Currently using a LeMond Revolution with the “old” bike since it doesn’t accommodate thru axles or 12 speeds, but have a Kickr Core 2 on order at the current $399 sale price. I’ll be interested to see how a newer trainer compares for “road feel” which the LeMond is excellent at while creating a noise level comparable to an active runway. Amazon (wanted an easy return if needed) only had the Zwift cog version still on sale so I’ll try that in ERG mode with TR and put one of my many 11 speed cassettes on if that doesn’t suit. May try one of the tennis ball bases for it if I keep it.

Apps - Trainer Road, although I intend to use the Rouvy trial period once the Kickr arrives. Runs on a laptop minimized with video for entertainment on the Wahoo desk clone.

Fan - 20” floor fan plugged into a remote control adapter that isn’t always needed for easier workouts in the winter in an unheated garage.

Update: after using the Core 2 for a couple of weeks, I’m going back to the Lemond. It just feels more like a real bike ride and time goes faster doing Trainer Road workouts with a video than using an app that simulates a bike ride. I also discovered that the 11 speed 11-34 Shimano MTB cassette I already had works on the Lemond without modification since it is 1.8mm narrower than a road cassette, fixing the issue of trying to use an 11 speed bike with the LeMond freehub designed for a 10 speed cassette I previously had with it. I’ll probably do some mixing and matching of individual gears to get more useful options since I rarely use anything less than a 23 with the Lemond.

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