Simmons doing Leaadville

Agree completely

Wow, y’all went pretty deep on this one.

When I made the original post I wasn’t thinking about the racism controversy at all - honestly, I just think he gets a lot of press for a guy who finished a hour and a half back, and I think that is because of his grooming choices and his constant attention seeking. Have to admit I thought he would do better at Leadville tho. Now that I have checked out who he follows on IG - well, just ick. That’s a no for me dog.

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Definitely sounds on like someone I wouldn’t like or support. It doesn’t bother me at all about his fashion style or desire for attention - that’s all for him to decide - but if someone has hurtful or non inclusive views no matter how good they are I don’t want them as an ambassador to anything I’m associated with.

While I watched the livestream of Leadville and support the sport and athletes, it’s a pretty marginal thing in both sports and life. He can seek all the attention he wants but he won’t ever be relevant.

I would love to see Tom Pidcock enter. Is it irrational to think he could win?

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We don’t have to pretend it’s impossible or unfair to make reasonable inferences from someone’s admitted politics and associations. “Is someone cunning enough to avoid saying/doing something explicitly bigoted” is naive enough that “they’re eating cats and dogs” wouldn’t qualify as racist, even though it obviously is to anyone without a vested interest in pretending otherwise.

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Yeah, but there are absolutely loads of cultural associations with Trump, and racism (and un-PC-about-race) doesn’t drive all of it. There’s also the fact that Trump significantly increased his vote share among black and Hispanic voters across his presidential campaigns.

Do I think Trump feels racial animus toward non-whites? Probably, though likely not as much as the animus he feels toward people who openly oppose him.
Do I think all Trump fans feel racial animus? That’s a much bigger step.

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If you support Trump, then you are supporting racism. That then makes the supporter a racist.

Does that mean they are a hood-wearing, cross-burning racist who openly uses derogatory terms? No. But they are still racists.

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How do we feel about the moustache-forward, hair-tossing, Trump-loving attention seeker doing Leadville? There, did a quick fix :wink:

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Honestly, yeah Trump sucks - but that’s not my issue with Simmons. I wouldn’t be a fan if he was a Democratic Socialist who wanted to set all billionaires on fire.

Your exaggeration is certainly impressive. Don’t let critical thinking get in your way.

It’s a gift.